Jamin Goggin joins the show to talk guru vs sages, two ways of power, Jean Vanier, morality and his new book (with Kyle Strobel) The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb.
Bishop N.T. Wright joins the show to discuss the his hardest book to write, C.S. Lewis vs. J.R.R. Tolkien, The Colbert Report, the fifth signpost he would add to Simply Christian, Good News vs. Good Advice, Kingdom, New Creation, Hope vs. Evidence, and his newest book Simply Good News.